Vet School 101 Pet allergies to foods (Part 2: Therapeutic considerations and frustrations)

February 2nd, 2007  

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Switching brands of food works *if you read the labels*. Sassy never reacted to Iams. Then she went on a diet food, and that's when the chewing started. The second ulcer was biopsied. We compared w/d to Iams and found Rice to be the main culprit- the main different ingredient. She then went on r/d which had no Rice. When she had lost 10 pounds, she went back to normal Iams again, and the chewing resumed. Putting her on Innova Evo (slightly cheaper than prescribed food), which is grain-free, keeps her from chewing and she hasn't had an ulcer since. She has slowly crept the weight back up, but she is not as heavy as she used to be.

Georg February 3rd, 2007 06:46:00 AM

People are always me vet advice. Not being a vet I usually advise them to see a vet, BUT when the dog is obviously suffering from allergies I may suggest they try Wellness simple Food solutions, or California Natural. Both products contain only a few ingredients. Some people are happy that the hot spots and itching goes away, and others opt to have them tested anyway. For people with $ considerations, they area always grateful I have told them about the food choices.
Lately I have had more and more people ask me if feeding certain things (people food, corn ect) at a young age will make their dogs more allergic later on. What is the answer to that one?
(oh and people ask me their pets are gay to)

nancy February 3rd, 2007 07:53:00 AM

A number of years ago I had two dogs that had allergies to beef. I switched their diets to a Lamb and Rice kibble and they no longer broke out in hives or hot spots afterwards.

My cat that died of cancer had a fish intolerance. Anything with fish in it would come back up shortly after it was ingested, so I stopped giving her foods with fish in it. Occasionally I would have a brain fart and give her fish flavored Laxatone which never had a good outcome. She also had problems with maintaining her weight in her pre-cancer days even without the vomiting so trying to keep a peaceful multi-cat household was a chore with her around. I'd try to get one cat to lose weight and she'd lose as well. I'd try to get her to gain and the other would gain too much.

I'm not a fan of RAW or BARF diets. We saw to many cases of animals becoming sick or getting bones lodged in their throats, stomachs or intestines from them. Then there we had a co-worker whose dogs were always hospitalized with pancreatitis because of it. Eventually it was figured that it was the diet she was feeding, but she insisted that BARF was the only way to go so her dogs always at the hospital on IV for fluids and being given lots of drugs just to keep them going.

I recently introduced my cats to Innova Evo and my dogs to Fromm. This switch came after talking to a Greyground rescue center earlier in the week. My German Shepard has allergies but it is presumed to be seasonal. She doesn'tget itchy, break out in hives, ect, but her eyes get all bloodshot from whatever it is that irritates her eyes.

We were told that dogs should have their diets changed every 6 months to prevent protein allergies. Is there any truth to that or are these people humanizing their customers pets?

The only concern I have with Innova Evo is the high protein count. Per serving it has 50% protein which has me wondering if it will put my senior cat's digestive system and kidneys into overdrive mode. I'll be talking to my vet about this in about a week and half, if I don't call her about it first.

Allergy shots are the worst. I've personally gone through them and was allergic to the vaccines. Thousands of dollars later from trips to the emergency room led me to telling my allergist "No More Shots!!" He wasn't happy with me and still nags me about them, but I'm not willing to crash from them the first time around. Since I've stopped them I haven't had anymore bouts of laying on the livingroom floor with less than 30% oxygen levels and I prefer to keep it that way.

Is it possible for animals to be allergic to allergy shots as well?

Stacy February 3rd, 2007 08:37:00 AM

Excellent, concise information in these two posts! I own a busy dog yahoogroup and would like to put these in our files with your permission. May I? Your name and blog will be referenced and credited, obviously. Thanks!
One of my Rottweilers has atopic allergies and flares up with various, sometimes alarming, symptoms during the spring and summer. So I feel for you dealing with allergies year round! I have an excellent vet and we prevent what we can and manage what we can't prevent.
Obviously I think raw diets are great for many dogs but I do agree with your annoyance that diet is often incorrectly touted as a miracle cure. However I know two people personally whose dogs are allergic to varying grains (one Dobe, one Chow) and feeding a basically carb-free raw diet is a 100% "cure."

Carina February 3rd, 2007 10:33:00 AM

One of my four cats is allergic to fish products. When he was diagnosed, we switched to prescription food with a guarantee of no fish, and his allergy cleared up immediately, so that's what they all get. Every now and again they have other treats, but I limit these, and watch him carefully. He is also very sensitive to fleas, and often flares up in summer, even with regular treatment.
As a youngster, he was getting cortisone shots every two months or so. Now, with monitoring his diet, he averages one shot a year, and that is almost always flea-related. We can see the difference between fleas and food, because the rashes appear in different places.

jcat February 3rd, 2007 11:49:00 AM

My own experience in this area is annoyingly inconclusive (but I guess that's usual with allergies). When my two cats (siblings) were less than a year old, they were very itchy (especially on their head, face, and ears) and had recurrent ear infections. Months of feeding trials and consultations with a dermatologist followed. No change of food made any difference, and after the dermatologist had ruled out everything under the sun (for instance, they tested positive for ringworm, and although they were asymptomatic, we spent months getting rid of it anyway) the tentative conclusion was inhalant allergy, probably due to common household substances. They have not had specific skin sensitivity tests, however. One thing that seems to confirm allergies is that they responded dramatically well to antihistamines; chlorpheniramine, along with extra fatty acids added to their food, stopped their symptoms almost completely.

Ever since (nearly five years), they've been receiving a low dose of chlorpheniramine added to their food. I've tried stopping it several times, but the scratching always reoccurred. I've asked several vets whether there are any bad effects to long term use of antihistamines, but no one knew of any. Nonetheless, I'm undecided as to whether I should try sensitivity tests and desensitization shots (which would be expensive and not guaranteed to work) or continue as things are. If anyone knows any potential reason not to continue giving them antihistamines, I'd like to hear about it.

I'm also feeding them a grain-free wet diet, not because of allergies, but because I credit it (perhaps incorrectly) with keeping them slender and trim. Plus, it's easier to add dissolved pills to wet food.

Vasha February 3rd, 2007 12:04:00 PM

My dog is nearing the end of a two-week course of treatment with antihistamines for a (suspected, not yet confirmed) wheat allergy. For the first week, if I got her a dose late, she'd be chewing her poor feet within the hour; now she doesn't seem bothered if I miss a pill. It makes me hopeful that the wheat (which was only in her treats, not her main food) was the thing; I don't want her to be on meds longterm.

Three of her feet aren't red and chewed-up at all anymore! One still seems to be bothering her, and her skin is still a bit dry and flaky, but WHAT an improvement.

We're back to the vet on Monday for a checkup and next steps. Here's hoping we can confirm the allergy and wean her off the meds...if it's really just wheat, that's easy to avoid!

Laura February 3rd, 2007 05:29:00 PM

Stacy: Dogs and cats can definitely have allergic reactions to the vaccines! Usually, we back them down to the previous level and stay there for awhile, increasing thie strength more slowly than before. And, of course, there are some that won't tolerate the vaccines at all. I've only had one of these cases. The biggest problem with the vaccines is that 40% don't improve at all.

Janine: My understanding was that a heat-treated protein doesn't change its molecular structure sufficiently to make a difference in how the animal's immune system sees it. But you make an ecellent point and I will call up my allergy testing lab this week (they are very responsible and responsive) to ask them about it. I'll get back to you.

Carina: Of course you may reference away...

By the way...I didn't mean to specifically disparage raw. I do see a lot of pets that do much better--especially with home-cooked versions.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 4th, 2007 09:01:00 AM

Thanks! From what I've heard from people who've done the allergy testing for their dogs, though, the allergy tests don't actually test raw food, only cooked. But it's definitely worth asking about. :)

Janine February 4th, 2007 04:00:00 PM

Janine: I asked the friendly vet at the Biomedical Testing Lab in Austin, Texas. (They do the allergen testing and make up vaccines for individual pets.) She said that unlessa protein is totally hydrolyzed and denatured (a special process way beyond cooking), the protein remains the same. Carbs have the same issue. She gave me one more interesting piece of info (a tad off-topic, sorry): Any 100% fat, regardless of protein source, is not allergenic. makes sense.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 8th, 2007 03:03:00 PM

I wanted to comment on some of the misinformation others have posted here about feeding a RAW diet.

First, in regards to "bones lodged in their throats, stomachs or intestines", I have been feeding RAW for 3 years now. I associate on nearly a daily basis with dozens of other dog and cat owners who feed RAW, and I also belong to discussion groups that have literally THOUSANDS of RAW-feeding members. Never once I have heard a true testimonial of someone who had to take their pet to the vet for a lodged bone.

"Then there we had a co-worker whose dogs were always hospitalized with pancreatitis because of it." Pancreatitis is an existing condition caused by a weak pancreas, NOT diet. Any high fat diet will aggrivate this condition. I suspect that in the comment above the RAW feeder was not aware of how to adjust the RAW diet to prevent the aggrivation.

I have a Great Dane who suffered from allergies, so much so he had chronic diarrhea as a pup, rashes, goopy ears, and bald spots. To spare him the misery of going through months of medical tests, I made the switch to a RAW diet hoping that would ease his misery. Lo' and behold, within weeks there was a serious reduction in his symptoms, and still today only has the occasional itchy spot.

Now, I am not saying that kibble caused his allergies, but I am positive that feeding an unnatural diet, filled with species inappropriate grains and other unnecessary chemicals, weakened his system to the point of near meltdown. By removing all of these elements, his body and immune system were allowed to repair themselves and as a result can more appropriately handle minor airborne allergens.

Frankly, MY hackles go up when I see people recommending band-aid type solutions to treat every symptom under the sun instead of taking the time to discover the root of the problem. Vaccines and steriods only mask the symptoms. Start by feeding an appropriate diet, eliminate unnecessary vaccines, don't overvaccinate in one visit but spread the vaccinations out over a period of time as to not tax the immune system, don't put artificial sprays or chemicals on the animal's coat, don't give flea and tick meds during winter in areas where it is cold enough to kill off bugs (these medicines are pesticides!).......

I could go on and on, but the fact is, we have weakened our pet's immune systems by using all of these 'convenience' products instead of taking the time to do things in a less invasive and healthy manner. If owners were encouraged to put some time into their pet care instead of just using the next 'wiz-bang' shot, we would see a major reduction in ailments and allergies.

Ericka February 19th, 2007 02:44:00 PM

My standard poodle had major allergies and ear infections from the age of about 3 monthe to 18 months. In that time, he was treated almost every 6 weeks with steroids, cremes, antibiotics. He never got completely healed. Then I researched raw. He's been on it about a 18 months. He hasn't been back to the vet once for ear problems or allergies. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't experience it myself. The change took about 3 months. He eats raw chicken, beef, venison, and cooked veggies. No grains. Never. No crap from commercial foods-no questionable sources. Just raw, human-grade food. The drawback? He's a creme colored poodle and he gets his food on his fur on his legs....

Agadore's momma March 24th, 2007 05:31:00 AM

I have a Lab bitch who had serious seasonal allergies whcih were getting worse every year. She was so bad at times that she could hardly walk as she had eaten the soles off her pads. After switching to a raw diet no problems whatsoever. Another of my dogs had colitis also disappeared on raw. The first bitch was also allergic to beef and eggs when cooked but she can handle them fine raw. Another one had yeasty ears on kibble all but gone on raw.
So to me that proves that there IS a difference between raw and cooked despite what the scientists may say!
I agree that a raw diet is not a cure all for every problem, as previous poster said other things such as vaccines, drugs & toxic flea sprays etc. can all cause problems with the immune system.
It is so nice to have a vet who DOSE welcome comments about raw feeding as so many are wrongly, in my opinion, so against it.

Isobel April 6th, 2007 06:00:00 PM

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